Tuesday, December 23, 2008
The Night Before Christmas
This Christmas Eve, we'll be hosting our very first Midnight Service, beginning at 11:30 PM in our downtown space (147 W Broadway). This will be a small, intimate gathering to celebrate the coming of Christ through music, Scripture, and friends. Come participate in a tradition that is at least 1500 years old. Your kids will love it, and so will you. We hope you will join us this Christmas Eve!
Monday, December 8, 2008
All Souls Christmas Party
Come join us this Saturday, December 13 at 6 PM at Lake Missoula Cellars as we team up with Andrea Harsell & Friends to throw a killer Christmas party and raise money for Big Brothers & Big Sisters' "Families in Need" this holiday season.
For a suggested donation of $15 per person (more if you'd like!), you'll get to experience fabulous food, great local wine, amazing music, and a whole lot of fun. Plus, you'll be contributing to a great cause and making our community a better place too.
Interested? Here's how you can help:
For a suggested donation of $15 per person (more if you'd like!), you'll get to experience fabulous food, great local wine, amazing music, and a whole lot of fun. Plus, you'll be contributing to a great cause and making our community a better place too.
Interested? Here's how you can help:
- please buy a ticket as soon as possible (at Rockin Rudy's or Lake Missoula Cellars) or RSVP (and pay at the door) so we can know how much food to prepare. Even if you can't make it to the party, please consider purchasing tickets to help support the cause.
- please help us spread the word by inviting your friends and announcing the event on any mailing lists you are connected with.
Monday, December 1, 2008
Vision Dinner
We've been here in Missoula for over two years now, and a LOT has happened in that time. We've asked a lot of questions, built a lot of friendships, and we've worked hard to create a community of faith where people are welcome even if they don't share our convictions. Slowly but surely it's beginning to happen. We think that's pretty cool.
Many of you have played a vital role in this process (thank you!). Some of you are still checking us out. And some of you might be wondering where to begin. We think that's cool too, and we look forward to helping you evaluate us.
Fundamentally, All Souls Missoula is a community in motion - we're on a mission, we're headed somewhere - and a big part of our job is to be upfront and honest about who we are and where we're going. After all, how else are you going to figure out whether we're a place worth investing in?
Vision dinners are a chance for us to share a great meal, talk about our vision, and answer any questions you might have. We hope to paint a clear picture of where we're going over the next six months, how we hope to serve this community, and how we hope to be a community that works for the good of the city.
If you are at all curious about what's going on here at All Souls - whether a little or a lot - you really won't want to miss this. Here's the skinny...
Many of you have played a vital role in this process (thank you!). Some of you are still checking us out. And some of you might be wondering where to begin. We think that's cool too, and we look forward to helping you evaluate us.
Fundamentally, All Souls Missoula is a community in motion - we're on a mission, we're headed somewhere - and a big part of our job is to be upfront and honest about who we are and where we're going. After all, how else are you going to figure out whether we're a place worth investing in?
Vision dinners are a chance for us to share a great meal, talk about our vision, and answer any questions you might have. We hope to paint a clear picture of where we're going over the next six months, how we hope to serve this community, and how we hope to be a community that works for the good of the city.
If you are at all curious about what's going on here at All Souls - whether a little or a lot - you really won't want to miss this. Here's the skinny...
- WHERE: The Cryder's place (2307 River Road).
- WHEN: Sat, Dec 6, from 6:30 - 9 PM.
- WHAT: A great evening of food and friends!
Tuesday, November 4, 2008
Mount Sentinel Reseeding Project
Hey folks - we need your help reseeding Mt Sentinel!
We've all seen the huge burned area on the hillside above UofM - this project is all about reseeding the ground with native grasses to prevent the spread of noxious weeds. Which is cool. But it's going to take an awful lot of help to pull it off!
And that's where you come in! We need volunteers to help on Saturday, Nov 8 from 8:30 AM - 4:00 PM. Reseeding requires traversing steep hillsides, so you should be prepared for a vigorous day of walking. Lunch will be provided, with a party afterwards to talk about the day and build community among people who shared a fun experience.
One of the things we talk about a lot at All Souls is being a church that loves our city and works for its renewal (cf. Jer 29:7). This is a great opportunity for us to put our money where our mouth is. Plus its a great way to build relationships - both with folks at All Souls, but also with people in the broader community. And it'll make a tangible difference in Missoula.
If you'd like to volunteer (either to work or help with the party), please contact Graham Roy (493-6634) or Christian (529-5568). Hope to see you this weekend!
We've all seen the huge burned area on the hillside above UofM - this project is all about reseeding the ground with native grasses to prevent the spread of noxious weeds. Which is cool. But it's going to take an awful lot of help to pull it off!
And that's where you come in! We need volunteers to help on Saturday, Nov 8 from 8:30 AM - 4:00 PM. Reseeding requires traversing steep hillsides, so you should be prepared for a vigorous day of walking. Lunch will be provided, with a party afterwards to talk about the day and build community among people who shared a fun experience.
One of the things we talk about a lot at All Souls is being a church that loves our city and works for its renewal (cf. Jer 29:7). This is a great opportunity for us to put our money where our mouth is. Plus its a great way to build relationships - both with folks at All Souls, but also with people in the broader community. And it'll make a tangible difference in Missoula.
If you'd like to volunteer (either to work or help with the party), please contact Graham Roy (493-6634) or Christian (529-5568). Hope to see you this weekend!
Thursday, September 25, 2008
Sunday, September 14, 2008
A New Church for Missoula!
After 2 years of groundwork, All Souls Missoula (formerly known as the Missoula Project) is officially beginning public worship services on Sunday, September 14 at 5 PM.
Launching a church from scratch is no small task - it's been a community effort, and now we'd like to invite ALL our friends (new and old!) to help us celebrate this occasion. That includes all of you, whether you share our convictions or not! This is a major milestone for us, and we hope you'll come be a part of it, not because you agree with us on everything, but because you care about Missoula and you consider us your friends.
So please join us downtown at 5 PM on Sunday, September 14 at 147 W. Broadway (in the Creative Catering space - enter from Ryman street) for our inaugural worship service, followed by a reception with great food, drink, and friends.
If you've been thinking about visiting All Souls, this is the time to do it! You never need to dress up, there's a nursery for young children, and visitors are always welcome (regardless of what you think about Jesus). We hope you'll come celebrate with us!
Sincerely,
Christian & Ryan
Launching a church from scratch is no small task - it's been a community effort, and now we'd like to invite ALL our friends (new and old!) to help us celebrate this occasion. That includes all of you, whether you share our convictions or not! This is a major milestone for us, and we hope you'll come be a part of it, not because you agree with us on everything, but because you care about Missoula and you consider us your friends.
So please join us downtown at 5 PM on Sunday, September 14 at 147 W. Broadway (in the Creative Catering space - enter from Ryman street) for our inaugural worship service, followed by a reception with great food, drink, and friends.
If you've been thinking about visiting All Souls, this is the time to do it! You never need to dress up, there's a nursery for young children, and visitors are always welcome (regardless of what you think about Jesus). We hope you'll come celebrate with us!
Sincerely,
Christian & Ryan
Tuesday, August 26, 2008
Rummage Sale Results
Hey folks - just a quick note to offer a HUGE thanks to all of you who made the 1st Annual All Souls Rummage Sale a rousing success. You helped us raise over $2000 dollars, all of which will go to YWCA Missoula to help single moms send their kids back to school this Fall.
Wow. We think that's cool! Thank you!!!!!
Wow. We think that's cool! Thank you!!!!!
Tuesday, August 19, 2008
Attention Rummage Salers
If you are looking for information about the Rummage Sale coming up on Saturday, August 23rd, then read this post! All proceeds from the sale will benefit single moms of Missoula as they send their kids back to school this fall.
We'll be accepting donations (and we need a whole lot more) right up till the evening of the 22nd. If you'd like to make a donation please drop it by 1601 West Kent (also the location of the sale - map). You may want to call Ryan (529-2468) or Rachel (529-2467) to make sure we are home. If we're not home, feel free to place items inside the white fence (gate located on Washburn).
Any items are welcome as long as they are in good condition. If you need assistance getting your item(s) to the location listed, please call and we'll try to arrange a pick up.
We'll be accepting donations (and we need a whole lot more) right up till the evening of the 22nd. If you'd like to make a donation please drop it by 1601 West Kent (also the location of the sale - map). You may want to call Ryan (529-2468) or Rachel (529-2467) to make sure we are home. If we're not home, feel free to place items inside the white fence (gate located on Washburn).
Any items are welcome as long as they are in good condition. If you need assistance getting your item(s) to the location listed, please call and we'll try to arrange a pick up.
Friday, August 1, 2008
Tuesday, July 8, 2008
Summer Sliders Party
It's official! All Souls Missoula is having a Summer Sliders Party! Scrumptious mini-burgers (aka. "sliders") hot off the grill, plenty of great wine and beer to wash it all down, with live music by local talent Andrea Harsell. Wow. It should be a fabulous night!
Of course it'll be even better if you join us. Here's the skinny:
Of course it'll be even better if you join us. Here's the skinny:
- WHEN: This Friday, July 11, from 7 PM til Midnight (or when everyone leaves)
- WHERE: Ryan & Rachel Sutherland's place (1601 W. Kent)
- WHAT TO BRING: A hearty appetite for good food and stimulating conversation!
Friday, July 4, 2008
Looking for Musicians
All Souls Missoula is looking for a few good musicians. We need a solid hand drummer (think djembe), and a skilled guitarist (think acoustic).
This is a paid gig, Sundays, 4-7 PM (with dinner and a beer afterwards, if you feel like sticking around). Style is folksy Americana-Celtic. You need not be a follower of Jesus in order to qualify. You do need to be a good musician.
Contact Christian (529-5568) el pronto if you're interested.
This is a paid gig, Sundays, 4-7 PM (with dinner and a beer afterwards, if you feel like sticking around). Style is folksy Americana-Celtic. You need not be a follower of Jesus in order to qualify. You do need to be a good musician.
Contact Christian (529-5568) el pronto if you're interested.
Monday, June 23, 2008
Rants & Raves
Think of this page like graffiti wall just south of the California Street Bridge... it's your place to say whatever you want, good or bad, pro or con, whatever you want. Pretty much anything is fair game. And as comments pile up, older ones will get painted over from time to time.
So there you have it. The mic is yours. Tell us what's on your mind...
[NOTE: in the interest of getting the conversation started, we've posted in some older comments from original Missoula Project site. There's also plenty of fodder over in the comments on the Indy article.]
So there you have it. The mic is yours. Tell us what's on your mind...
[NOTE: in the interest of getting the conversation started, we've posted in some older comments from original Missoula Project site. There's also plenty of fodder over in the comments on the Indy article.]
Thursday, June 19, 2008
Our Mission
Here at All Souls Missoula, our mission flows from our Core Values:
Working to renew the city socially, culturally,
& spiritually.
We emphasize city, because we believe Jesus calls us to be radically others-oriented. The church does not exist simply to serve me; it exists to serve others, especially those on the outside. So we strive to love folks who don't share our convictions, to stand up for the poor and the oppressed, to be agents of mercy in a world of brokenness. We can't really love our neighbor if we don't also love the city in which our neighbors dwell.
We emphasize renewal, because we believe Missoula is glorious in many ways; at the same time, we believe it can still be better. So we strive to celebrate where Missoula shines, and to serve where Missoula still needs work. We focus our efforts on areas where God is already working, causing all sorts of people (even those who don't believe in him) to value the things that he values - love, beauty, justice, respect, dialogue, diversity. We labor as servants, not people who have it all figured out.
Finally, we emphasize socially, culturally, and spiritually because we believe humans are complex, multi-faceted beings - if all we offer are spiritual answers without caring for physical needs, we haven't really loved someone the way Jesus would. We believe true spiritual transformation inevitably impacts both culture and society. We desire to care about things that matter, regardless of the spheres in which they reside.
We have no grand illusions that we're going to succeed where other churches have failed. But this is the kind of church we desire to be, because we think this is the kind of God we serve. We would love to have your input on how we're doing.
& spiritually.
We emphasize city, because we believe Jesus calls us to be radically others-oriented. The church does not exist simply to serve me; it exists to serve others, especially those on the outside. So we strive to love folks who don't share our convictions, to stand up for the poor and the oppressed, to be agents of mercy in a world of brokenness. We can't really love our neighbor if we don't also love the city in which our neighbors dwell.
We emphasize renewal, because we believe Missoula is glorious in many ways; at the same time, we believe it can still be better. So we strive to celebrate where Missoula shines, and to serve where Missoula still needs work. We focus our efforts on areas where God is already working, causing all sorts of people (even those who don't believe in him) to value the things that he values - love, beauty, justice, respect, dialogue, diversity. We labor as servants, not people who have it all figured out.
Finally, we emphasize socially, culturally, and spiritually because we believe humans are complex, multi-faceted beings - if all we offer are spiritual answers without caring for physical needs, we haven't really loved someone the way Jesus would. We believe true spiritual transformation inevitably impacts both culture and society. We desire to care about things that matter, regardless of the spheres in which they reside.
We have no grand illusions that we're going to succeed where other churches have failed. But this is the kind of church we desire to be, because we think this is the kind of God we serve. We would love to have your input on how we're doing.
Thursday, June 12, 2008
Maps
All Souls Missoula doesn't have a church building (and we probably never will). We worship at the Missoula Children's Theatre (200 N. Adams) on Sundays @ 10 AM. And we meet in homes and public places throughout the rest of the week.
You can use this map to find common locations...
You can use this map to find common locations...
FAQ
Frequently Asked Questions about All Souls Missoula. If you don't find what you're looking for, ask us about it.
- Q: Who are you guys, anyway? Good question. We're a team, actually: pastors Christian Cryder and Ryan Sutherland. Both of us grew up in Montana, became friends at Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia, graduated in 2006, and felt God's call to bring our families back out west to plant a church from scratch in Missoula, MT. Crazy, huh?
- Q: Why Missoula? It's tempting to link to pictures of huge trout, soaring vistas, with elk bugling in the distance (but we won't :-). The short answer is that we love this place, and the people who call it home. We desire to plant a church that connects with postmodern, de-churched, unbelievers, because these are the kinds of people we enjoy as friends. We have been very intentional about NOT planting a church that just recruits Christians from other churches.
- Q: Are you guys connected with a denomination? Yes, we are members of the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA), not because we think it's the perfect denomination, but because we think it's a great place to plant churches with a big view of grace and a love for people who don't share their convictions. The PCA is moving in a missional direction, and we like that.
- Q: What's your connection with the Missoula Project? That was us, up until May 2008. The Missoula Project described what we were early on: a grassroots effort to start a brand new church in Missoula by first creating a community of friends that included both believers and unbelievers. All Souls Missoula describes what we are becoming now - a blossoming community of faith for people in process.
- Q: What's this 'Sabbath Week' thing? On the first Sunday of the month, we hold a Sabbath Feast after the evening service - we all pitch in and share a meal together! It's a great way to reconnect over food with folks you might not see during the week!
Then, in the week that follows we take a break - a sabbath - from all regularly scheduled events (community groups, explorers groups, etc). We do this to give people a chance to catch their breath, to keep the schedule from becoming a grind. We also want to give folks a chance to catch up with friends they might not normally have a chance to connect with. So feel free to use this week however you want - whether kicking back or reaching out!
Core Values
Let's face it: the fact that we want to start yet another church is not necessarily a good thing. After all, there are plenty of churches we'd probably all be better off without.
Perhaps what matters more is the kind of church we want to create, and why. And the best way to get at that (aside from a nice long conversation over a pint of Cold Smoke) just might be to look at the...
Perhaps what matters more is the kind of church we want to create, and why. And the best way to get at that (aside from a nice long conversation over a pint of Cold Smoke) just might be to look at the...
5 Things We Value Most
- Truth - We are convinced that every person yearns deeply for clarity and purpose in life. We believe this clarity and purpose, which we name Truth, comes most visibly in the person of Jesus and the witness of the Christian Scriptures; this Truth is also the root of other qualities we prize: honesty, integrity, authenticity. We recognize the Truth of Jesus is difficult - for believers and unbelievers alike - and so we rely on varied perspectives and honest questioning to keep All Souls centered as we travel together toward a fuller understanding of Truth.
- Beauty - We believe that our ability to discern beauty - so clearly present here in the last, best place - inevitably shapes our vision of peace, justice and redemption, both personally and for community. We think beauty should lead us to welcome diversity, to value dialogue, and to appreciate mystery. So we desire to live beautiful lives, to celebrate beauty wherever we find it, and to make Missoula a more beautiful place.
- Community - We believe that people are meant for community, and that the truest community happens in relationships that are not contingent. So we strive to be a community of faith where you don't have to share our convictions about Jesus in order to be welcome as our friends. We embrace all sorts of people, not because they agree, but because they are human, created in God's image. We refuse to reject folks who think differently. We welcome outsiders and skeptics. And we invite you to join us, no matter where you are or where you may end up.
- City - We believe Jesus calls us beyond ourselves to love our larger home, the City. We believe God is working redemptively in people, places and institutions all across Missoula, whether they recognize him or not. So we celebrate with the city in its triumphs; we serve the city where it is hurt and broken; and we seek out others who love the city because we still have much to learn.
- Grace - We believe that Jesus' message is fundamentally one of grace, that Christianity is not a list of rules you need to keep to make God love you, but good news about what Jesus has done because of God's radical reconciling love for us. Our calling is to respond in faith - turning from our attempts at self-salvation, aligning ourselves with the redemptive work of God, trusting he will change both us and others. We believe real grace is transformative - through love, not guilt. If this is how God deals with us, this is how we should deal with others.
Monday, May 12, 2008
Spring Fling Party!
Hey, it's that time of year again: the weather's changing, the flowers are blooming, and we're throwing another party for friends! It's our Spring Fling Party, and now that we have a new name - All Souls Missoula - we actually have a great reason to celebrate. We'd love to have you come join us!
If you like great Mexican food and killer margaritas, you definitely won't want to miss this event. Friends, family, and kids are all welcome. If you haven't been to one of our parties yet, why not join us for this one! Here's the skinny...
If you like great Mexican food and killer margaritas, you definitely won't want to miss this event. Friends, family, and kids are all welcome. If you haven't been to one of our parties yet, why not join us for this one! Here's the skinny...
- WHEN: this Friday, May 16 @ 7 PM
- WHERE: the Cryder's place (2307 River Road)
- WHO'S INVITED: you are! (along with anyone you'd like to bring)
Wednesday, May 7, 2008
Change is in the Air!
It's springtime in Missoula, and there are some major changes in the air!
- First and foremost, The Missoula Project has a new name! - Most of you know that we deeply value community, one where anyone is welcome regardless of their convictions (or lack thereof). We have long said that if we can create a truly diverse community of friends, the "church" part of what we're doing will follow naturally, and it is! As we move towards formal worship this fall, now we actually have a name: All Souls Missoula!
We believe this says a lot about the kind of church we want to be, and we are really excited to see it emerge. A new website and logo will be coming soon. In the meantime, we just want to say thanks to all of you (believers and unbelievers alike!) who have helped make this thing a reality. We are so glad to have you following along! - Sunday nights are moving! - Yes, we love to pack people into our house. At the same time, it's been increasingly obvious that we need more space for informal worship. Beginning this Sunday, May 11 we'll be meeting downtown at 147 W Broadway in the Creative Catering space (entrance by the hair salon on Ryman Street). If you've been curious about how we worship, why not drop in on Sunday and see our new digs?
- Spring Fling Party - we'd like to celebrate all this change that is in the air! On Friday May 16th we're throwing a party at the Cryder place, and you are invited! Please put it on your calendars! More details later this week...
Monday, April 14, 2008
Green is a Good Thing
Admit it - all this spring weather makes you want to get out of the house and hang out with friends, doesn't it. So why not celebrate Earth Day with us this weekend?
1. On Saturday morning we'll be gathering at Caras Park between 9:30 and 9:45 AM to help clean up the Clark Fork! This will probably wrap up by noon, and it's a great thing to bring your kids to!
2. Later that evening we'll get together for a good old fashioned spring barbecue. There will be plenty of wine and beer to wash down one of Marilyn's legendary Hawaiian burgers around the firepit. We'd love to have you join us, even if you can't make it to the morning cleanup!
1. On Saturday morning we'll be gathering at Caras Park between 9:30 and 9:45 AM to help clean up the Clark Fork! This will probably wrap up by noon, and it's a great thing to bring your kids to!
2. Later that evening we'll get together for a good old fashioned spring barbecue. There will be plenty of wine and beer to wash down one of Marilyn's legendary Hawaiian burgers around the firepit. We'd love to have you join us, even if you can't make it to the morning cleanup!
- WHEN: this Saturday, April 19 @ 7 PM
- WHERE: the Cryder's place (2307 River Road)
- WHO'S INVITED: Friends, family... everyone!
Sunday, March 23, 2008
Easter Sunday
As Easter approaches, it seems Christians inevitably focus on why Jesus had to die. That's certainly important, but Scripture goes further - it insists Jesus had to rise, to live, too. And that raises an interesting question: Why? Why did Jesus HAVE to rise?
We'll wrestle with that question this Easter Sunday - what difference does the resurrection of Jesus actually make, anyway?
Whether you are a longtime follower of Jesus, or someone who hasn't given Jesus much thought in a long time, we'd love to have you join us for informal worship followed by a dinner with friends, this Sunday evening, @ 5 PM, at the Cryder's (2307 River Road).
Contact Christian (529-5568) or Ryan (529-2468) for details or directions.
We'll wrestle with that question this Easter Sunday - what difference does the resurrection of Jesus actually make, anyway?
Whether you are a longtime follower of Jesus, or someone who hasn't given Jesus much thought in a long time, we'd love to have you join us for informal worship followed by a dinner with friends, this Sunday evening, @ 5 PM, at the Cryder's (2307 River Road).
Contact Christian (529-5568) or Ryan (529-2468) for details or directions.
Friday, March 7, 2008
A Party for St. Patrick
It's official! The sun showed it's face in Missoula last week, which means its high time for a party. Come hoist a pint in honor of St. Patrick (and to toast our friend Janicka Umile for turning 40!). Great food & drink, with plenty of interesting characters and conversation (assuming you show up, of course). Here's the skinny:
Hope to see you soon!
Christian & Ryan
WHEN: Saturday, March 15, from 7 PM until the leprechauns get sleepySo clear your calendar, RSVP el pronto (so we know how much food to prepare), and help us spread the word! If you haven't been to a Missoula Project party yet, you won't know what you're missing until you come!
WHERE: @ the Cryder's place (2307 River Road - holler for directions)
WHAT TO BRING: a healthy appetite, a hearty thirst, and a friend or two!
Hope to see you soon!
Christian & Ryan
Thursday, January 3, 2008
So What do You Think?
Once people find out we're pastors, we inevitably get questions that run something like this: "So what do you think about... ?" You fill in the blank: whether it's women or pot, homosexuality or hell, just insert your favorite issue and you'll get the gist.
Questions like these are hard to answer. Not because we don't have positions, but because you never know for sure what the asker is after. Are they really interested in understanding what I believe and where I'm coming from? Or is this simply just another a litmus test - a quick way to determine whether I'm a friend or foe?
You know what I'm talking about here - agree with me and we're pals, I will lavish my affection upon you; disagree and we're enemies, and will punish you with my disapproval, I will cut you out of my life. Fundamentalist Christians do this all the time, but so do fundamentalist pagans (and so do all of us in between, because we all naturally tend to surround ourselves with people who agree with us).
But it's a scorched earth policy on all accounts, because the only relationships that come from this kind of approach are either contingent (they depend on a list of things we must first agree upon) or superficial (they require us not to be honest about what we really think). Yet what are most of us looking for? Relationships that are deep and honest, relationships where we can be ourselves and be accepted in spite of ourselves.
So how DO we try to answer questions like these? Let me see if I can make this real, by picking something controversial, and trying to illustrate how I'd explain it.
What if someone asked me me about Jesus - is he the only way to get to God? I mean, come on, that seems so exclusive, so judgmental of others! Surely we don't believe something like that do we? What do I say?
Well actually, yeah, we do. But maybe not for the reasons you might think. And before I'd ever want to talk about my opinions, I'd much rather hear yours first: What do you think? And why?
That first part (the 'what') is important, because I'm really interested in knowing where you're coming from. And the second part (the 'why') is even more crucial, because it's going to tell me something about who you are, about how you see the world, about the concerns that are driving your question in the first place.
If you think that Jesus isn't the only way to get to God, maybe it's because that's all you've ever heard from those around you, maybe you've just never really thought about it.
Or maybe you've known people who thought he was the only way, and then they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, maybe you just swore you'd never be like those people.
You see, there are a plethora of reasons for why people believe what they believe, and if we don't take the time to really listen, it's easy to end up speaking past one another.
Ok, so now I know about what you think; it's my turn, you say, ante up: what does Christian Cryder believe?
Alright, I'll tell you. I do believe Jesus is the only way to get to God. And yeah, it does sound exclusive at first blush. But even as I acknowledge that, I'd like to qualify it with two really important considerations.
First, I'd like you to consider WHY I think that.
If I am clinging to that belief, the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God, in order to make myself feel superior to you (because I 'get it' and you don't), if I am using that 'truth' to feel better about myself while I look down on you, then I would be the kind of person Jesus calls a hypocrite and you would be absolutely right in rejecting me for it.
BUT, if I embrace the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God, not because I like it, not because I think I'm better than you, but simply because Jesus himself claimed that, well... you may still have a beef with Jesus. Maybe he's wrong. Maybe we're just stupid for believing him.
But at the very least, I would hope that you could see that we're just being honest and authentic, even when it's unpopular. And I would hope you could at least respect us for that, even if you never agree with us.
So that's the first thing I want you to hear - that it's not just what we believe, but why we believe. Motivation matters bigtime.
And here's the second thing - I would want you to know that even if you completely disagree with us on this issue (the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God), you are still completely welcome in our church and as our friends. Far too often, what gets communicated non-verbally in conversations like this is that you need to agree with us in order to have a relationship with us. And we think that is wrong.
We want to be really clear - we will never, ever reject you simply because you can't agree with us on something. We value you as you are, we want to listen to you well, to understand where you're coming from, and we invite you to speak into our lives (because maybe you see something we don't).
Maybe we need you, maybe you need us. But neither of us will ever know where we're blind if we only surround ourselves with people who agree...
So there you have it. That's how I'd answer that question, and that's how I'd preface just about any answer I give on anything. But why am I sharing all of this in the first place?
Part of it's in response to a question from Graham (in the comments, over here). He raised some specific issues, and I want to explain why we don't just respond to stuff with a list of bullet points: "Here's what we think on this, that, and the other..."
Polarized issues are hard to talk about. It takes a commitment to relationship, even if we don't agree. And these kinds of questions are often best discussed in person, over a meal or a beer, rather than in an impersonal forum like a web site. So that's why we don't just run straight to into a discussion.
Nevertheless, these are good questions, and they do need to be discussed, because ultimately, someone like Graham doesn't just need to know what we believe - he needs to know why we believe it, to figure out whether we're hypocrites to be rejected, or fools to be pitied. And to do that, he's going to have to spend some time getting to know us, our character. It's going to take time, relationship, and conversations.
It's also going to take getting to know the Jesus of the Scriptures (at least a little), since that's who Christians claim as their ultimate authority.
At the end of the day, that's the only way to tell whether we're being consistent (eg. whether we look, act, and think like Christ). It's also the only way to ever develop an informed opinion about Jesus (eg. by looking at what he says himself, not just what others say about him). Maybe he's a sham. Or maybe he's not. But you'll never know without examining him.
We want to welcome that kind of conversation, not stifle it. So what do we think? Lets get together and talk about it...
Questions like these are hard to answer. Not because we don't have positions, but because you never know for sure what the asker is after. Are they really interested in understanding what I believe and where I'm coming from? Or is this simply just another a litmus test - a quick way to determine whether I'm a friend or foe?
You know what I'm talking about here - agree with me and we're pals, I will lavish my affection upon you; disagree and we're enemies, and will punish you with my disapproval, I will cut you out of my life. Fundamentalist Christians do this all the time, but so do fundamentalist pagans (and so do all of us in between, because we all naturally tend to surround ourselves with people who agree with us).
But it's a scorched earth policy on all accounts, because the only relationships that come from this kind of approach are either contingent (they depend on a list of things we must first agree upon) or superficial (they require us not to be honest about what we really think). Yet what are most of us looking for? Relationships that are deep and honest, relationships where we can be ourselves and be accepted in spite of ourselves.
So how DO we try to answer questions like these? Let me see if I can make this real, by picking something controversial, and trying to illustrate how I'd explain it.
What if someone asked me me about Jesus - is he the only way to get to God? I mean, come on, that seems so exclusive, so judgmental of others! Surely we don't believe something like that do we? What do I say?
Well actually, yeah, we do. But maybe not for the reasons you might think. And before I'd ever want to talk about my opinions, I'd much rather hear yours first: What do you think? And why?
That first part (the 'what') is important, because I'm really interested in knowing where you're coming from. And the second part (the 'why') is even more crucial, because it's going to tell me something about who you are, about how you see the world, about the concerns that are driving your question in the first place.
If you think that Jesus isn't the only way to get to God, maybe it's because that's all you've ever heard from those around you, maybe you've just never really thought about it.
Or maybe you've known people who thought he was the only way, and then they tried to shove it down everyone else's throat, maybe you just swore you'd never be like those people.
You see, there are a plethora of reasons for why people believe what they believe, and if we don't take the time to really listen, it's easy to end up speaking past one another.
Ok, so now I know about what you think; it's my turn, you say, ante up: what does Christian Cryder believe?
Alright, I'll tell you. I do believe Jesus is the only way to get to God. And yeah, it does sound exclusive at first blush. But even as I acknowledge that, I'd like to qualify it with two really important considerations.
First, I'd like you to consider WHY I think that.
If I am clinging to that belief, the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God, in order to make myself feel superior to you (because I 'get it' and you don't), if I am using that 'truth' to feel better about myself while I look down on you, then I would be the kind of person Jesus calls a hypocrite and you would be absolutely right in rejecting me for it.
BUT, if I embrace the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God, not because I like it, not because I think I'm better than you, but simply because Jesus himself claimed that, well... you may still have a beef with Jesus. Maybe he's wrong. Maybe we're just stupid for believing him.
But at the very least, I would hope that you could see that we're just being honest and authentic, even when it's unpopular. And I would hope you could at least respect us for that, even if you never agree with us.
So that's the first thing I want you to hear - that it's not just what we believe, but why we believe. Motivation matters bigtime.
And here's the second thing - I would want you to know that even if you completely disagree with us on this issue (the idea that Jesus is the only way to get to God), you are still completely welcome in our church and as our friends. Far too often, what gets communicated non-verbally in conversations like this is that you need to agree with us in order to have a relationship with us. And we think that is wrong.
We want to be really clear - we will never, ever reject you simply because you can't agree with us on something. We value you as you are, we want to listen to you well, to understand where you're coming from, and we invite you to speak into our lives (because maybe you see something we don't).
Maybe we need you, maybe you need us. But neither of us will ever know where we're blind if we only surround ourselves with people who agree...
So there you have it. That's how I'd answer that question, and that's how I'd preface just about any answer I give on anything. But why am I sharing all of this in the first place?
Part of it's in response to a question from Graham (in the comments, over here). He raised some specific issues, and I want to explain why we don't just respond to stuff with a list of bullet points: "Here's what we think on this, that, and the other..."
Polarized issues are hard to talk about. It takes a commitment to relationship, even if we don't agree. And these kinds of questions are often best discussed in person, over a meal or a beer, rather than in an impersonal forum like a web site. So that's why we don't just run straight to into a discussion.
Nevertheless, these are good questions, and they do need to be discussed, because ultimately, someone like Graham doesn't just need to know what we believe - he needs to know why we believe it, to figure out whether we're hypocrites to be rejected, or fools to be pitied. And to do that, he's going to have to spend some time getting to know us, our character. It's going to take time, relationship, and conversations.
It's also going to take getting to know the Jesus of the Scriptures (at least a little), since that's who Christians claim as their ultimate authority.
At the end of the day, that's the only way to tell whether we're being consistent (eg. whether we look, act, and think like Christ). It's also the only way to ever develop an informed opinion about Jesus (eg. by looking at what he says himself, not just what others say about him). Maybe he's a sham. Or maybe he's not. But you'll never know without examining him.
We want to welcome that kind of conversation, not stifle it. So what do we think? Lets get together and talk about it...
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